tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post6014887124916743117..comments2024-03-17T10:32:01.495+02:00Comments on From the Rock: Highlanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16532761296990891687noreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-81757448093627384302007-07-23T21:59:00.000+03:002007-07-23T21:59:00.000+03:00centrales nucléaires vs infirmières bulgares, pas ...centrales nucléaires vs infirmières bulgares, pas bête !<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.lepoint.fr/content/confidentiels/article?id=193354" REL="nofollow">business is business</A>NOMADhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16557946021931920145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-50668179365491407122007-07-23T18:16:00.000+03:002007-07-23T18:16:00.000+03:00seems that what we were talking about is going to ...seems that what we were talking about is going to happen :<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.courrierinternational.com/article.asp?obj_id=76124" REL="nofollow">the bulgarian nures and the palestinian doctor are going to be released and sent back to Sofia</A><BR/><BR/>selon les bons offices de Sarkozy et de sa femme.<BR/><BR/>and Paris is going to equiped the hospital where the kids are taken cared with the last new technological materialNOMADhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16557946021931920145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-6405600879280688352007-07-22T16:04:00.000+03:002007-07-22T16:04:00.000+03:00LL I'm waiting for your posts remember there are a...LL I'm waiting for your posts remember there are ayas in the Quran about how the animals pray to God also yes :)Highlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16532761296990891687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-84311571368881899442007-07-22T09:49:00.000+03:002007-07-22T09:49:00.000+03:00LL, why are you so angry that I gave you a link to...LL, why are you so angry that I gave you a link to an article from FrontPageMag?<BR/><BR/>I am not angry:P I am amused.<BR/><BR/><BR/>You are right that primitive people resort easily to killing. But with Islamism, it is <BR/><BR/>advanced people who do the same. This is why I dislike Islamism.<BR/><BR/>I dont know what exactly is Islamism. It seems to be inseprable from Islam. Some say its <BR/><BR/>political Islam, but Islam is a way of life? And politics is a part of life so it seems only <BR/><BR/>natural that Islam is involved in it. Why without it then politics would be primative. <BR/><BR/>I should refrase the statement above..... I have a problem with MURDER. Killing is all good <BR/><BR/>by me as long as it is justfied. You feel the same way maya, you supported the war in Iraq, <BR/><BR/>and in the above post you supported the death penilty. I approve of killing as long as it is <BR/><BR/>justified. What does that mean? <BR/><BR/>1. WAR. As long as its ligitamatly government regulated(Defensive War, and Offisve war in the name of spreading justice. War's which are waged both defensive and offensive must adhear to Islamic Ethic's meaning it is prohibited to kill non-combatant's, attack the enviornment, or animals as in occurdance with God's Law.People who do that transgress the limits which the lord had set.) <BR/><BR/>President Bush claim's that he attacked Iraq to bring what he calls "The Almighty's gift of freedom to Iraq". He also came to bring the rule of law, ect... Western Democractic theory teaches that the whole world must submit to the Universal Human Rights declaration.... Islam teaches the whole world must submit to Islamic Law..... Democratic Theory states that Democratic States do not war. Islam teaches that in theory at least Islamic States do not war.<BR/><BR/>Belive it or not maybe the west is creeping out of the dark ages and coming closer to Islam. Their logic is good, its just the term's are bad. But ofcourse I personally do not belive that Mr..Bush is really waging war because he hates tyrany, and wants to give the Middle East the God's Gift of Freedom. Maybe he does feel like that. God only knows, but from The Lost Libyano stands it seem's he is what one of those people god talks about in the Quran when God states their words are sweet but their action's are sour. But thats my interpertation. I think Mr. Bush was hijacked by people who are extreamly cunning, he seems to be lost and dazed like a deer in you run into at night in west texas, substitute the headlights of your truck, with those of the media camera's......<BR/><BR/>I dont think he is a evil man, he just doesnt strike me as the evil types... Putin on the other hand does. I think President Bush is a very sad man, despite the silly smirk which he sport's. I know I sport a smirk a good chunck of the time, but I am by no mean's always on cloud nine, far from it. I dont think he wanted to become president he much rather live a simple life in Crawford, I can dig that. Anyway..... <BR/><BR/><BR/>2. I belive in killing in the form of the Death Penility. Or in the case of indiviudal nessecity(self defense protecting one's blood, property, and wealth.) <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>I'd advise you to forget about the "errors of Darwinism". This is nonsense. Darwinism is a gold standard for me. I avoid talking with people who reject it. They have placed themselves outside the realm of reason and our languages cannot be translated into each other.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Actually I feel the exact same way about darwanist's. In my mind THEY take themselves outside of the realm of reason. They refuse to look at their opponent's arguments in the light of reason, they are closed minded people such as yourself(you said you avoid talking to the otherside), they do not even want to hear what the otherside has to say against their <BR/>arguments. I have no problem when people question creationalism, or Islam in general because <BR/><BR/>God say's truth stands from error' and the Koran states that if yopu belive in something <BR/><BR/>prove it! If you view the error's of darwanism as non-sense refute the arguments and allow <BR/><BR/>the otherside to issue a response? That seem's practical, eh?( God I am becomeing a <BR/><BR/>canadian.lol. I love the Eh?:P do they really sleep with their door's unlocked?)<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/> Highlander said... <BR/>Maya, LL and Craig I can't really talk about atheism as I have no opinion about that. They <BR/><BR/>only thing I could venture to say is that everyone is free to believe what they think and <BR/><BR/>accept the consequences. <BR/><BR/>Well Highlander that's a very Islamo-centric view of things. Their is no compulsion in <BR/><BR/>religon, truth stands from error, ect... Not Everyone holds mine your enlightened Islamic <BR/><BR/>View. Their are many athiest's in America who belive that people of faith are mentally ill, <BR/><BR/>and that they should be confined to Assylums! Like Chrisopher Hitchens for instance. And <BR/><BR/>some go as far as stating that teaching ones child religion is a act of child abuse! And <BR/><BR/>among the Abrahamic Faith's Judism for instance, one is not free to worship as they please, <BR/><BR/>one must worship the Gof of Israel, the lord of host's or be put to death. Many Biblie <BR/><BR/>Literalist's in Christianity also hold this position, seeing as how Jesus(PBUH) stated in <BR/><BR/>the Gospel Of Matthew 5:17-20. He also went on to scold one of his disciples for straying <BR/><BR/>from the law in Mattew Chapter 15. Jesus wanted those who cursed their parents to be put to <BR/><BR/>death. He brought it up when one of his disciple's asked him why he was breaking the <BR/><BR/>tradition of the elder's, apparently Jesus viewed the laws of the elders as bida(innovation <BR/>in matters of religion), he went on to ask why people are following what the elder's say, <BR/><BR/>and disregardig God almighty Law to put children who disrespect their parent to death. From <BR/><BR/>this it seems Jesus was anti-talmud(the customs and laws of the Rabbi's, the Elders) and he <BR/><BR/>was Pro-Torah(The Law). So from what I understand Until The Heaven and Earth pass(we still <BR/><BR/>are here arent we?), and until everything is acomplished(he's coming back isnt he?) then the <BR/><BR/>law is alive and well. Thats just my take, I am not a Christian Theologian though I am a <BR/><BR/>Berber, as was St. Augistine, so..... we kinda are cut out for the Job:P<BR/><BR/><BR/>I don't differentiate between humans, plants or animals I believe they all have a soul and <BR/><BR/>that everything created on this earth has been created to Praise God. Therefore all these <BR/><BR/>creatures are aware of God's presence and therefore seek to do good. This may sound crazy <BR/><BR/>but even inanimate objects in my opinion are aware of God's presence. <BR/><BR/>In this regard I am not surprised that animals can show compassion or that plants can <BR/><BR/>respond to care. Your links to me prove that and therefore we as humans should be held even <BR/><BR/>more accountable for our deeds because we have been given free will. <BR/><BR/>WOW!!! Now that Highlander Was BEUTIFUL!!! You get my comment of the year!<BR/>Animal's and Plants do indeed exist to worship god Almighty, but you see thats what makes us <BR/><BR/>human's diffrent our freewill..... Its sort of our curse if you think about it:P We have a <BR/><BR/>choice between worshipping God Almighty, or not. Its a test. It's the purpose of life! I <BR/><BR/>also agree that inanimate objects are aware of God almighty's presence, I dont want to drag <BR/><BR/>on and on about this, because I want to elaborate greatly, hopefully I will write a post <BR/><BR/>about it. I am bringing back my Fallen Libyano blog online. I just have to save all of the <BR/><BR/>very personal item's as draft's.>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00658857518250991635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-45758148203812534792007-07-19T21:45:00.000+03:002007-07-19T21:45:00.000+03:00ok, let's say "spirituality", because in the name ...ok, let's say "spirituality", because in the name of "God", so many worse possible evenments have occured and still or will . We were given the will to choose ; but for choosing an option rather than another one, that supposes your aware of them, that your not ignorant or blind ; I don't see much people with a qualification of being able to make a good choice and still assume the responsability of it ; rather than we were given that power, I would say that humanoïds had the chance to cross ecological and climates transformations, and develop their abstraction sense and skills for drawings and writings, while other species developed other senses and skills<BR/><BR/>anyway, thanks for caring of animals and nature in generalNOMADhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16557946021931920145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-5908976101818440522007-07-19T16:41:00.000+03:002007-07-19T16:41:00.000+03:00The links you posted are quite interesting Nomad, ...The links you posted are quite interesting Nomad, thanks I loved them.<BR/><BR/>I don't differentiate between humans, plants or animals I believe they all have a soul and that everything created on this earth has been created to Praise God. Therefore all these creatures are aware of God's presence and therefore seek to do good. This may sound crazy but even inanimate objects in my opinion are aware of God's presence. <BR/><BR/>In this regard I am not surprised that animals can show compassion or that plants can respond to care. Your links to me prove that and therefore we as humans should be held even more accountable for our deeds because we have been given free will.Highlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16532761296990891687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-13162808740215324752007-07-19T16:31:00.000+03:002007-07-19T16:31:00.000+03:00Maya, LL and Craig I can't really talk about athei...Maya, LL and Craig I can't really talk about atheism as I have no opinion about that. They only thing I could venture to say is that everyone is free to believe what they think and accept the consequences.Highlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16532761296990891687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-15891199675470114832007-07-19T04:50:00.000+03:002007-07-19T04:50:00.000+03:00Hi Maya,Programmer Craig, I think the Golden Rule ...Hi Maya,<BR/><BR/><I>Programmer Craig, I think the Golden Rule is generally a good compass to tell right from wrong.<BR/>Not absolutely, of course. After all, different people want different things. But in most cases it works.</I><BR/><BR/>You don't mention where the "Golden Rule" comes from. It isn't Darwin, and it isn't the Natural Order. It comes to us from Jesus. It's a wonderfully concise encapsulation of Christian teachings.<BR/><BR/>That's what I don't understand about atheists who claim to believe in ethics and morality. They act as if these concepts have always been around and as if they are innately part of human nature. It isn't so.<BR/><BR/><I>Also, it is generally good to create and protect complex beautiful things and it is almost always evil to destroy them. Such as, to set a beautiful temple on fire in order to become famous or to cut down a forest without caring to sustain it in order to sell the wood and become rich.</I><BR/><BR/>And yet, what evidence do you have that atheists would ever place a high value on such things? None. Atheism is a modern phenomena. Nobody an know what the world would be after many successive generations of atheists have been in power, but I'm not looking forward to such a turn of events ever coming to pass.<BR/><BR/><I> This rule is more difficult to formulate but not too problematic to use.</I><BR/><BR/>Not too problematic, yet.<BR/><BR/><I>Maybe the sense of morality still comes from God even for those who deny His existence. Who knows? Not me. At any rate, you are right that all atheistic ethical constructions originate late and are based on religious ones.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, there are some codes of behavior that have been based on pure philosophy, even in the ancient world, but they never amounted to anything but academic exercises, as nobody ever put those philosophies into play in the real world.<BR/><BR/><I>What troubles me with the idea of religion telling people the proper way is that it could, with the same success, tell them some other way. And I think that has happened with some religions both in historical times and now.</I><BR/><BR/>I agree. I don't think Christianity as it is, is what Jesus intended, for instance. Not even close. But it is the responsibility of each individual Christian to find their own truths in what is written in the New Testament. That's my opinion, anyway. <BR/><BR/><I>Also, some religious people do good and abstain from evil not because they find it right, but to escape a punishment and receive a reward in afterlife. From practical point of view, this is OK, because it is more important that people behave than why they do it. But I'd prefer good to be done for its own sake.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, there are many such people. Possibly, a majority. But I suspect they will be disappointed when they discover they haven't been doing God's work, after all. It's difficult for me to explain but I don't think (for Christianity at least) that the idea is to be good solely based on a selfish need to be comforted in the fear of death.<BR/><BR/><I>I agree with you about Jesus, though I consider Him "only" a man.<BR/>Those "atheists believing in karma" sound to me rather strange.</I><BR/><BR/>Me too! But I've yet to meet an actual pure atheist. It seems even atheist search for an answer to the big questions.<BR/><BR/><I> Karma is an element of Eastern religions, isn't it?</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, but some people claim Buddhism is a philosophy and not a religion. I consider it a religion, as it is spiritual in nature.<BR/><BR/><I> If somebody believes in it, he has to convert to the respective religion and submit to its set of values and norms. You cannot have the goodies of two incompatible belief systems! </I><BR/><BR/>I don't know about that! I like goodies! I can't find "karma" and "reincarnation" both, in the New Testament, under different names and different presentations. I can also find predestination. But I don't look very hard. I don't think human would be are capable of grasping such matters, no matter how well they were presented. I think many of the things in the Bible (like heaven and hell) are symbolic representations of divine rewards and punishments. Something that primitive humans could visualize.<BR/><BR/><I>At least if you want to be taken seriously. And no belief or lack thereof is a license to be an a**hole.</I><BR/><BR/>True! But it's the whole "turning the other cheek" thing in Christianity that I struggle with the most. I figure somebody slaps me on one cheek, I best knock them out before they get a chance to do it again. Highlander is much better at turning the other cheek than I am, and she's not even Christian :Oprogrammer craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17566950406349754166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-24894438715200708902007-07-19T00:44:00.000+03:002007-07-19T00:44:00.000+03:00LL, why are you so angry that I gave you a link to...LL, why are you so angry that I gave you a link to an article from FrontPageMag?<BR/>I read this site. I cannot give you links to sites I never read. I know FPM wouldn't be your favourite read. But people often learn things from sources they dislike and disagree with. I have learned things from Islamist sites. Not many things indeed, because these sites get on my nerves and so I visit them rarely and leave them quickly. But it wouldn't be an act of hostility if somebody gives me a link to such an article.<BR/>Why do you think that people who seek expert help in order to avoid suicide are all bad people? I assure you some of them have better ethics than the average happy coach potato.<BR/>I don't know whether I am a secular humanist. I don't put a label on myself.<BR/>I find nothing wrong with some confusion about what is right and what is wrong. It is people who never doubt about it who make me fear.<BR/>You are right that one of "my" sites is FaithFreedom. (The other one isn't among those listed.) After you have read it... well, I raise the white banner.<BR/>I don't think you want to become a truly honest person. I think you are now a more honest person than you want to be, and you want to become a happy person instead.<BR/>Joining the West was my choice and the choice of most my people. It was the best choice I could see, so I naturally recommend it. BTW Brigitte Gabriel wasn't born Westerner. She is from Lebanon.<BR/>Returning to one's tribal roots, excuse my rude expression, sounds to me much like "back to the trees". We have all been there.<BR/>Your mind is your license to turn your back to the past. If you wish.<BR/>You are right that primitive people resort easily to killing. But with Islamism, it is advanced people who do the same. This is why I dislike Islamism.<BR/>Please don't let me read your personal writings. I would read something put in public space, but if you let me read your "protected" works, this would later make you hate me.<BR/>I'd advise you to forget about the "errors of Darwinism". This is nonsense. Darwinism is a gold standard for me. I avoid talking with people who reject it. They have placed themselves outside the realm of reason and our languages cannot be translated into each other.<BR/>About whether I can be helped - I don't need help. The world does.Maya Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10877457709995369246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-27691089147512995612007-07-19T00:16:00.000+03:002007-07-19T00:16:00.000+03:00Programmer Craig, I think the Golden Rule is gener...Programmer Craig, I think the Golden Rule is generally a good compass to tell right from wrong.<BR/>Not absolutely, of course. After all, different people want different things. But in most cases it works.<BR/>Also, it is generally good to create and protect complex beautiful things and it is almost always evil to destroy them. Such as, to set a beautiful temple on fire in order to become famous or to cut down a forest without caring to sustain it in order to sell the wood and become rich. This rule is more difficult to formulate but not too problematic to use.<BR/>Maybe the sense of morality still comes from God even for those who deny His existence. Who knows? Not me. At any rate, you are right that all atheistic ethical constructions originate late and are based on religious ones.<BR/>What troubles me with the idea of religion telling people the proper way is that it could, with the same success, tell them some other way. And I think that has happened with some religions both in historical times and now.<BR/>Also, some religious people do good and abstain from evil not because they find it right, but to escape a punishment and receive a reward in afterlife. From practical point of view, this is OK, because it is more important that people behave than why they do it. But I'd prefer good to be done for its own sake.<BR/>I agree with you about Jesus, though I consider Him "only" a man.<BR/>Those "atheists believing in karma" sound to me rather strange. Karma is an element of Eastern religions, isn't it? If somebody believes in it, he has to convert to the respective religion and submit to its set of values and norms. You cannot have the goodies of two incompatible belief systems! At least if you want to be taken seriously. And no belief or lack thereof is a license to be an a**hole.Maya Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10877457709995369246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-4464706425650700372007-07-17T18:59:00.000+03:002007-07-17T18:59:00.000+03:00Thank you all for your comments, it's wonderful to...Thank you all for your comments, it's wonderful to see you all write so much as it makes me feel good that there is some kind of debate. I'm just taking my time to reply as I need to think about all the topics raised :).Highlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16532761296990891687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-13662275218786491252007-07-17T18:27:00.000+03:002007-07-17T18:27:00.000+03:00Your opinion that Islamic extremists are in fact a...Your opinion that Islamic extremists are in fact atheists reminds me of an interesting article, "The Suicide Bombers Among Us", read it at <BR/><BR/>why would I read something from FrontPageMag? <BR/><BR/> Those guys have worse moral's and ethics then the Sucidial Mental Patinet's? <BR/><BR/>Is Israel's human rights record is something I am supose to emmulate??? Look who is calling the Kettle black. <BR/><BR/>I doubt that Islam is the answer to you. It has moral problems that seem to me impossible to solve. <BR/><BR/>Whats your definition of morality Maya? What is the measuring stick that you are using? The Secular Humanist one? The one that changes every couple of years, the death penilty is evil, then its a force of good? Maya my friend I think you like most Athiest's are confused about "what is right and what is wrong". <BR/><BR/>If you like, I'll give you the URLs of two Web sites that sealed my Islamophobia.<BR/><BR/>what Faith Freedom, and Prophet Doom? lol. what can you show me that I have not read, and seen a billion times before? Robert Spencer, Danial Pipes, Bat Ye'or, Ibn Warrqa, and Ali Sina? <BR/><BR/>I have read it all over and over again. I love it when they use secular humanistic ethic's to judge Islam and tell me it is evil, and then on the next page they take up the cause of Judism! Lol. Islam is ultra-watered down Judism at least in they eyes of Secular Huamanism. <BR/><BR/>These people have never read the Old Testament or the Talmud.lool. Thats for sure. My Goodness the Hypocrisy!<BR/><BR/>I cant stand it. I am not saying I dont have some bad tendencies of hypocrisy, but whatever amount I have in me I want to work hard as possible to get rid of it, and I want to become a truley HONEST person. Thats the type of man I want to be, and thats the type of man I belive God Almighty wants me to strive to be.<BR/><BR/><BR/>2. Why should I join your side?<BR/><BR/>Lets say I agree that Islam is Evil. Why should I join the side of the west? Primative Ethic's tell me to return to my tribal root's the family, the tribe, and the Nation(race). <BR/><BR/>You forget Maya that I am a Berber..... I am the other side that they are talking about. I am not some European American Christian who has never heard anything about Islam and the Muslim's beside's that which I have been told. For Instance take Briddget Gabrial's statements in John Hagee's book on the "Grievences The Muslims have against the west" She states.<BR/><BR/>"They hate us because of our freedom, because a man respects his wife, and loves his daughter!.In Christiany we teach that we are supose to be good to our neighbor's and cherish our parents so that our day's may be long, its a completly diffrent teaching in Islam!"<BR/><BR/>When I read statements like that, I know what the deal is. Now lets take your point of view, that their is no good and all morality is made up, by dusty old books written by old men thousands of years ago..... <BR/><BR/><BR/>Why on earth would I allign myself with the side of Western Secualr Humanism, and seal my Islamophobia? I am a Berber, not a European..... My ancestor's embraced Islam in masse in the 7th century, they took up arm's against the Arabs in the 11th Century to defend the Sunni branch of the faith, and the Berber Identity. The way I see it is even if I didnt belive in God, I would take up the ammana(trust) that my forefather's left for me if anything......why did all of those great Berber's all over North Africa spill their blood for Freedom and Islam, why did Lalla Fatima engage in the Jihad, who am I a 20 yearold punk in the 21cetury to turn my back on 12,000+ years? <BR/><BR/>Thats what my "heart and natural instinct's which you atheist's love to glorify 24/7, my inherant good nature, free from religion tell me". <BR/><BR/>Ofcourse thats primative ethic's But it seem's like the most probabal system I would give loyality to if their was no God, but ofcourse even a primative system and outlook like that demands questions like, why am I here again? And why am I fighting for this or that, or giving my alligance to a certain ethnic cause?<BR/><BR/>think that without religion, it is even more evident that murder is wrong.<BR/><BR/>Well the 5PM news begs to differ with you Maya! Where did you come up with that asumption????? Where do you live? Seriosly. People will kill you like THAT! In a instant. It means nothing to them. Murder seem's if anything to be in the primative human beings nature. People will put a bullet in your head for a few quarters my Enlightened European friend. They will kill you for looking at them wrong, human life is worthless to the primative being. Killing someone is mearly a means to a end. If they like your shoes the rims on your car, your Ipod, your girlfriend or your wife, they will take it by force, if they are in a good mood they will beat you into submission and put a bullet in you if you resist, and if they are in their normal mood they will kill you to get rid of the chances that you try to resist them. Dont bring up the "Radical Islamists" example. Those people are nothing more then Middle Eastern/South Asiam gangbangers, take a look at Iraq. The only reason that the criminality manifests itself with Islamic Imagery in my opinion is because Islam is so deeply embeded in society. Good and Bad people will say Salaam to you on the street in a Muslim nation, its like saying hello, it means nothing. Those regions have undergone very diffrent social development, their are major Sociological and Psychological aspects of these areas to study and concider if one really wishes to make a accurate assesment of the sitruation. sunnis and shias are like the blood's and crips of the middle east, but its a diffrent society. tons of crips and bloods where crosses but do we take it that they are following Jesus's(PBUH) principal's??? <BR/><BR/>Ofcourse not thats stupidity and insanity, no one seeking a ligitamate, honest, analysis of a situation will find it by going that road, most people who do so are looking to further demonize a certain group of people to their advantage. Back in the west during the Middle Ages their where tons of crazy bands running around with crosses,qouting the bible harrasiing local's and killing in masse, but is that because they where true religouse follower.lol. Ofcourse not they where mearly a Evil product which manifested with reigouse imagery because of the society they lived in. <BR/><BR/><BR/>I doubt that Islam is the answer to you. <BR/><BR/>Actually I find Islam has been the only answer for me when I am at rockbottom. Its really been the only true source of happiness in mylife, ist the only one that has given me the BIG PICTURE. so to speak. I will let you read some of my personal blog's on my journal Blog the Fallen Libyano, I keep it private because its VERY personal, but you should really read some of the blogs on their about my spirtuality. When I am in FULL Submission to God, I feel a sense of profound happiness and peace which I really can not explain, it as if I am overtaken by a spirit or something, I know it sounds weird maya, but I swear its the best feeling I have ever felt in my life, a feeling which brings tears of joy to my eyes, The feeling that I have literally been lifted from my bottomless pit of depression, anxiety, uneasiness, and despair that I reside in a good chunck of the time, its a unimaginable high those few moments when I have REAL faith, I feel happiness beyond what words can explain, I feel comfort, I feel safe and sound, like nothing will ever hurt me, all of the worries I had just go away, life has a new meaning maya,I SEE THE BIG PICTURE. <BR/><BR/><BR/>And all of the little things dude, they just dont matter, you dont stress because you know the meaning of life, you know your purpose, to worship God, to be a member of his diverse kingdom. Your existance means something. I have only felt like this maybe 3 times in my life, and I would do ANYTHING to feel it again. I would do anything to feel Gods love and presence in my life, because everything feels so AMAZING<BR/>I feel like hugging everyone I met, I feel a sense of profound goodness, a sense of optomism. <BR/><BR/><BR/>For so long I have been waiting for God to come into my life, but I think I have realized that God's arm's have been open all along, its just that I have been keeping away. Why? I dont know.... Because letting go is so hard, letting go of the hate, letting go of the anger, to break down the walls I have set around my heart, to get rid of my pride, to get rid of my racism, to get rid of my biases and prejudice's, it's a struggle, its a jihad, the greatest kind. <BR/><BR/>To struggle with one's self, to free your selfs from your own imposed chains of slavery, your desire's... and to submit to the will of God. Its the hardest thing to do. <BR/><BR/><BR/>How will you know God's will? By reading an old book? Where is the proof that it is indeed from God? <BR/><BR/>Well I can go on and on, but their is nothing I can tell you that Harun Yahya can't friend. Open your heart, Open your mind, let go of your prejudice's and visit http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/<BR/><BR/>I can tell you about the great<BR/>scientific miricales in the Quran, and I can debate the error's of darwanism with you, but in the end, if you close your heart, their is not much that can be done. God himself can come into your living room and you Athiest's still will not belive. Moses, Jesus, and all of the rest of the great Prophet's have split the sea's, and they have turned water healed the lepar's and the blind,<BR/>he brought back the dead, but still their were disbeliver's.<BR/><BR/>If you shut your heart then well, you cant be helped. One can pray for you to see the light, but you really have to look in yourself. Now for me I dont need Science to prove god, I mean its a good faith boaster, but I know he exist's because their is something deep inside me, its a connection, when I turn to him, its, dude its the most amazing feeling in the world . Thats all I can say. <BR/><BR/>Here's a video you should check out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpGs2SiBPCA>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00658857518250991635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-15333222324980514172007-07-17T16:15:00.000+03:002007-07-17T16:15:00.000+03:00on fairness of the animalson altruism without heav...<A HREF="http://www.primates.com/monkeys/fairness.html" REL="nofollow">on fairness of the animals</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2004/yax-397.htm" REL="nofollow">on altruism without heaven</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.infoscience.fr/articles/articles_aff.php3?Ref=433" REL="nofollow">on the understanding of the phonemes</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3232,36-935909,0.html" REL="nofollow">C'est le plaisir d'avoir raison et de moucher l'adversaire qui gouverne ces tempêtes verbales, bien plus que le lent bonheur que donne la connaissance</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.futura-sciences.com/fr/sinformer/actualites/news/t/zoologie/d/le-genie-de-lorang-outan_12314/" REL="nofollow">du genie de l'orang-outan</A><BR/><BR/><I>You can moderate or have a laissez-faire policy. In the latter case, people almost immediately resort to the state of nature of human existence, that is, war of all against all </I><BR/><BR/>what would happen without a "God" ?<BR/><BR/><BR/>and "God" created the animals ... at the image of the humanoïds !NOMADhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16557946021931920145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-44070731073636666292007-07-16T22:36:00.000+03:002007-07-16T22:36:00.000+03:00LW, your comment didn't actually seem totally insa...LW, your comment didn't actually seem totally insane. Keep up the good work :)<BR/><BR/>Hi Maya, good comments.<BR/><BR/><I>I don't agree that we need God to tell right from wrong.</I><BR/><BR/>Then where would such a concept come from? Natural altruism of the collective, or whatever the current atheistic theory is called?<BR/><BR/>What evidence do you have to support such an idea, after you remove spirituality from the equation? Primitive humans knew no such concept, and the norm for humans who didn't have advanced religious practices in ancient times was to exterminate or reduce to abject slavery a defeated people. The discovery of trade empires changed that practice, for some, but not for others. But Empires were and are based on megalomania and greed. What's ethical about that? And on a societal level, I don't think you can look at the histories of the ancients and find much evidence of people helping people, out of the goodness of their hearts, except when they had a religion that told them that that was the proper way to live.<BR/><BR/><I>How will you know God's will?</I><BR/><BR/>God's will is evident in people who are spiritually happy, and at peace. They are living the kind of life that they were meant to live. People who are angry, hateful, malicious... they are not. They do the work of the devil (or the opposite of God's will, if you prefer).<BR/><BR/><I>By reading an old book? Where is the proof that it is indeed from God?</I><BR/><BR/>I can only speak for Christianity but I think the proof that Jesus was divinely inspired is in that anybody who follows his teachings rigorously and completely, in every aspect of their life, will be a fully realized human being. Very close to what Jesus was. I believe Jesus was as close to God as a human can be, and I think it is the purpose of all humans to become closer to God. <BR/><BR/>I know many atheists/agnostics who vaguely believe in concepts like karma, reincarnation, and other similar spiritual beliefs they have created for themselves, but for the most part they simply redefine their beliefs on the fly to suit themselves. That's how you get people who usually behave well towards others but occasionally behave like monsters... they convince themselves that their target is unworthy of being treated as well as other people, and it's therefore OK for them to become vicious and spiteful.<BR/><BR/>That's what happens when an atheist who believes in "karma" tries to make their own rules for how to lead their lives. They do whatever the hell they want and blame everyone else for forcing them to do what they do. That way, they are always innocents. And never have anything to be sorry about.<BR/><BR/>I've seen it a thousand times.<BR/><BR/>In fairness, a lot of so-called Christians do the exact same thing. But in the case of Christians, it's very easy to point out where somebody has behaved in an un-Christian manner, and no *practicing* Christian can deny it with a clear conscience... I do it myself from time to time, but I always feel guilty when I treat somebody in a way that I know I shouldn't. And I usually end up trying to make it up to them, sooner or later. Because there is no way I can rationalize some of the things I do, when they are so clearly not part of my belief system.<BR/><BR/>Anyway... interesting take on things. I just disagree with you on the "God" part. I think LW raised valid questions, and I don't think there are any answers to those big questions that make sense, once a higher power is taken out of the picture.programmer craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17566950406349754166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-51197813738829491052007-07-16T07:15:00.000+03:002007-07-16T07:15:00.000+03:00LL, what a nice long comment! You can copy-paste i...LL, what a nice long comment! You can copy-paste it into a blog post, after you have written it anyway. I have always known that you didn't really think many of the things you were writing.<BR/>Let me reply to your comment, beginning from the end.<BR/>First, please be careful with Ritalin and Adderall!<BR/>Your opinion that Islamic extremists are in fact atheists reminds me of an interesting article, "The Suicide Bombers Among Us", read it at http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20059, the author thinks the same.<BR/>Your statement that "Atheism is the cause of all the world's problems" amused me because I compared it to Hannu's "Religion is the source of all evil" (http://dregia.us/blog/2006/09/back-to-school-day.html) - and Hannu is an American of Libyan origin, like you! LOL.<BR/>I doubt that Islam is the answer to you. It has moral problems that seem to me impossible to solve. If you like, I'll give you the URLs of two Web sites that sealed my Islamophobia. Contact me on my blog, if you want this provocation - I don't want to write the URLs on Highlander's blog.<BR/>I don't agree that we need God to tell right from wrong. How will you know God's will? By reading an old book? Where is the proof that it is indeed from God? In fact, whatever Scripture you take, you'll find texts that don't seem to have been really "dictated" by God.<BR/>You have a brain to figure out what is right and what is wrong. If you are a believer, you'll think that God has given you this brain (either by mutations/natural selection or some other mechanism, your choice). But anyway, you have no other way to tell right from wrong. And if you were an atheist, you would use the same equipment.<BR/>I think that without religion, it is even more evident that murder is wrong. When a human is killed, this means premature termination of the only life he could ever have and forcing his soul to "fade away into the nothingness". Compare this idea to what an Islamist allegedly said when asked how he feels about children killed in terror acts: "It's OK, because they will go to Paradise." I don't say that all believers share this mentality, just that it exists in some.<BR/>But I agree with you that faith provides an easier answer to the question "Why am I here?".<BR/>BTW have you read Dostoevski? One of his characters also says, "If there is no God, then everything is allowed."<BR/>In fact, it is exactly the opposite: if there is no God, then man stands alone in his responsibility. A scary thought maybe. It is more comfortable to believe that there is a divine authority in charge.<BR/>I know people who are atheists and like to believe in UFOs. They try to find comfort in the idea that more advanced civilizations do exist in the Universe, keep an eye on us and if we make a too nasty mess on our poor little planet, they will intervene to save us from ourselves.<BR/>I don't believe in either sort of guardian. To me, Hercules with his great might and little control over it by reason is a good metaphor of mankind. So I often fear that everything will go to Hell. But I don't think I would feel more cheerful if I were a Muslim. It is written in the Koran that when a civilization doesn't meet the high requirements of God, He destroys it to replace it with something else. Not my favourite idea.Maya Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10877457709995369246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-19204451114747153672007-07-16T01:48:00.000+03:002007-07-16T01:48:00.000+03:00Highlander, your remark about US being "worth a se...Highlander, your remark about US being "worth a second chance" interested me much. I suppose your doubts about it are due to your personal experience. LL jokingly compared you to God; let me now try to compare you to the USA in an effort to grow some understanding.<BR/>In your blog, you are the sole superpower. You can moderate or have a laissez-faire policy. In the latter case, people almost immediately resort to the state of nature of human existence, that is, war of all against all (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellum_omnium_contra_omnes; no offense meant to Programmer Craig and Nomad, I have no independent information about how their unfortunate conflict developed, I can only say I am sorry and wish it hasn't happened.)<BR/>However, when you impose moderation, nobody is happy about it. Moreover, as you said, as long as moderation is used, it is impossible for you to prove that it is necessary, because people just don't send offensive comments. I've heard many people say that without the US messing up everywhere, nations of the world would just live happily in peace and harmony. To me, if you want to have a glimpse over the world without "Pax Americana", check pre-1945 European history.Maya Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10877457709995369246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-17772505889805210982007-07-15T18:58:00.000+03:002007-07-15T18:58:00.000+03:00LL, if you cannot find anything matching your high...LL, if you cannot find anything matching your high criteria for a perfect blog, I fear you have no choice but to write one :).<BR/><BR/>I fear you are right maya. I wanted a Islamic Imazighen Metal Band, so I had to start one. But their are only so many hours in my day, what with school and everything that comes along with it, to create everything which their is a lack off in the world.<BR/><BR/>I have choosen to use what little leasure time I have in directing my creative power's in Music, Art and Storytelling. It Passes the time, and I find it rewarding.<BR/><BR/>I am not up to a Blog at this moment because I am still going through my Intellectual Development, my idea's and thoughts are caotic and reactionary right now. I have flirted with everything from National Socialism, to Pan-Islamism. <BR/><BR/>I am always reading new things, and I am always changing. I have most definatly made progress in my opinion from where I was two years ago.<BR/><BR/>God only knows where I will be at 30. Ten years is a long time, heck I might be a secular humanist.:)<BR/><BR/>Though I doubt it. I will most likley either go further down the spiritual path I am going towards now, or I will go the other way and become a complete and total Nihilist. <BR/><BR/>I really can not comprohend Secular Humanism, and anti-Theism.<BR/><BR/>I can not comprohend a reality in without a creator, a reality in which their is not some higher power who tells us how to react. <BR/><BR/>A Higher power who tells us what our purpose is, why are we here? What do we do while we are here? <BR/><BR/>Secular Ethic's make absolutly no sense to me. <BR/><BR/>How do I know what is right and wrong, how to act? <BR/><BR/>Why am I here?<BR/><BR/>If their is no divine power... No purpose to life.... then everything is meaningless. <BR/><BR/>And if everything is meaningless then everything goes. I sometimes put myself in the Secular Anti-Theist's shoes, and I ask myself for instance what makes murder wrong? <BR/><BR/>Their is no higher power to judge you, I mean if their is no higher being to set standard's, and punish you for breaking them, then all things go. <BR/><BR/>The Police and The Government can be overthorwn. They are human just like me, they eat, sleep, and breath too. <BR/><BR/>If I see someone who has something I like, why shouldnt I just beat the crap out of him and take it, if I am stronger then that individual?<BR/><BR/>Why should I respect a women? I am Physically stronger then her, I should beat her down and reign supreme.....for I am "fitter". Why should I be hindered by giving her rights? Who gives a weaker specimen rights? Thats insanity.<BR/><BR/>Why should I tolerate affirmative action? Best person for the Job, right? <BR/><BR/>This is what I think of when I hear of a Secular world. <BR/><BR/>I think kill all the weaker creature's and make yourself Supreame. At least until a fitter creature come's and kills you. <BR/><BR/>But then again whats the point of killing, or subjagating if in the end it doesnt even matter, if we fade away into nothingness??<BR/><BR/>What the hells the point?? NOTHING. Not to mention life is painful, and these emotion's which we have are pesky bugger's, why shouldnt we just end our existance, and be free from pain?<BR/><BR/>As of this moment I am trying to get a grasp on things, trying to find the truth behind everything, why I am here, what is the purpose, how am I supose to react with people around me, why do I do what it is I do, why do people do what they do, ect... I belive Islam is the answer, the question which is dawning on me is, what do the aspect's of Islam truley mean. I am trying to find the right interpertation, I am trying to understand the Divine maker's will. I geuss I am looking for guiadance, I am looking to learn not to teach, you get what I mean. I am looking to be influnced by older wiser people, I am looking to learn. Its hard because I have a tendency to be a smartass and a hyper now it all who shouts out his opinion's compulsivly, or at least thats the way I view myself, i am trying to teach myself to calm down and think things out, understand the WHOLE situation, ect, before I speak. Its very hard.lol. But I am determined to get their with a truck load of Ritilin, and Adderal if I need too. lol. Man I rant too much. All in all I think Athiesm is the cause of all the worlds problems "Islamic Extreamism" in most cases is not a fanatical love of God, its a Nihilistic Athiestic Ideology. The only Islamic thing about it is the imagery, its a ideology produced by Athiesm, and Fear of the Unknown. Suicide Bombing is a amazing example of it. "Islamic Extreamism" is nothing more then the Athiest Face of Region's which where Traditionally Islamic. They are no longer so, but the name and the image remain. Extreamism is also fueled by globalization and the fear of eradication of the sacred of a society, but what is astonishing to me is if that sacred is worth worshiping, if it is real and divine, then it should be able to defend itself, right? Its all part of the bigger plan which one belives in eh? <BR/><BR/>Thats why I say most "Islamic Extreamists" are Scared Nihilistic Athiest's. Well thats my though on it. <BR/><BR/><BR/>it's funny when I don't have it people take the liberty to abuse each other and when I have it I have nothing to moderate because everyone once to see their comments up and so do stick to the topic<BR/><BR/>See highlander you are a untouchable higher power, which we can not get our hands on and we know if we break your rules, we will be punished, and have our privalage of gracing your blog taken away. So we are good, and we are obidient and civil. And we fight our urge's to write all of the "Highlanderly Incorrect":P statement's and rant's. lool. And no I am not comparing you to God.:)>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00658857518250991635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-21208695352944609522007-07-15T11:40:00.000+03:002007-07-15T11:40:00.000+03:00hthis is my new addhttp://globetrottingrien.wordpr...h<BR/>this is my new add<BR/>http://globetrottingrien.wordpress.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-80061194454688147282007-07-14T15:34:00.000+03:002007-07-14T15:34:00.000+03:00"Le seigneur est aux cieux, mais surveille la piet..."Le seigneur est aux cieux, mais surveille la pietaille et de loin voit venir l'artaban.<BR/><BR/>Cependant que je franchis mille et un pieges, il me sauve la mise de sa main adroite et attend que mes ennemis perdent la partie.<BR/><BR/>Seigneur je suis ta préférée pour l'éternité, et je te prie de ne pas oublier d'utiliser tes mains à bon escient"<BR/><BR/>bon ben c'est une gracieuse pirouette, mais effectivement tu n'avais pas le choixNOMADhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16557946021931920145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-46001585135148764592007-07-14T13:33:00.000+03:002007-07-14T13:33:00.000+03:00Dear Lost Libyano,You forgot the link. FYI, 'WE' a...Dear Lost Libyano,<BR/><BR/>You forgot the link. FYI, 'WE' are not sharing <I>our</I> favourite passages. The last passage was addressed to Nomad and Craig only it does not concern anybody else. Any link you wish to share with me send it by email.<BR/><BR/>Thank you :)<BR/><BR/><BR/>Maya yes moderation is back again -it's funny when I don't have it people take the liberty to abuse each other and when I have it I have nothing to moderate because everyone once to see their comments up and so do stick to the topic. So to prevent my blood pressure from going up I'm reinstating it :PHighlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16532761296990891687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-82202997142882806122007-07-14T12:10:00.000+03:002007-07-14T12:10:00.000+03:00Craig, Nomad I'd like to share with you my favouri...Craig, Nomad I'd like to share with you my favourite part from Psalms it is Chapter 138 6-8:<BR/><BR/><BR/>Oh thats just priceless Highlander. I would like to direct your attention to something, because I honestly want to know what you think. Go to this adress, and I want you to read the post, and the comments which are being left, and then I want you to reflect long and hard on them. After that I want your permission, sibce we are all sharing our favorite moment of Psalm's if I can share a few of my personal favorite passages.>https://www.blogger.com/profile/00658857518250991635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-13747795966539090022007-07-14T00:55:00.000+03:002007-07-14T00:55:00.000+03:00Oops! I see, moderation again!Oops! I see, moderation again!Maya Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10877457709995369246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-74852906361963116422007-07-14T00:47:00.000+03:002007-07-14T00:47:00.000+03:00LL, if you cannot find anything matching your high...LL, if you cannot find anything matching your high criteria for a perfect blog, I fear you have no choice but to write one :).<BR/>Or you are already doing it?<BR/>What impresses me most about your blogging is that every time I check it, I find a new blog!Maya Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10877457709995369246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-52658311506077064802007-07-13T00:20:00.000+03:002007-07-13T00:20:00.000+03:00"That was uncalled for Nomad."forgive me, I unders..."That was uncalled for Nomad."<BR/><BR/>forgive me, I understand nothing, niente, nada, nitchts... rien ;<BR/> and I shall say nothing, niente,nada, nichts...rienNOMADhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16557946021931920145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5760993.post-84659714077857994032007-07-12T22:31:00.000+03:002007-07-12T22:31:00.000+03:00Dear Craig and Nomad, I am absolutely shocked at t...Dear Craig and Nomad, <BR/><BR/>I am absolutely shocked at the turn of events on my blog since I have not checked if for a while now. It is very distresful on a personal level, because you are not just guests but friends, and I would hate to lose one or the other.Because of this I won't sweep this under the rug by deleting the comments.<BR/><BR/>However,I wish to point out that I've known Craig for several years and if there is anyone who has encouraged me to think that the US is worth a second chance then it is him. He was an excellent ambassador in my eyes.<BR/><BR/>Programmer_Craig is a mature man and hence very much capable to take care of himself and certainly does not need a 'nurse' let alone one from accross the Atlantic I'm sure.That <B>was</B> uncalled for Nomad.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand both of you have made some hateful personal attacks on each other and this is beneath you both - I wish never to see such things again. <BR/><BR/>Now having cleared that out of the way, I would appreciate if readers no matter how close their friendship with me is to please <B>stop</B> invoking me in their comments. I am not a referee. So you are being unfair and contributing to stressing me out.<BR/><BR/>This blog is still open to all. <BR/><BR/>Craig, Nomad I'd like to share with you my favourite part from Psalms it is Chapter 138 6-8:<BR/><BR/>"The LORD is on high, but cares for the lowly and knows the proud from afar. <BR/>Though I walk in the midst of dangers, you guard my life when my enemies rage. You stretch out your hand; your right hand saves me. The LORD is with me to the end. LORD, your love endures forever. Never forsake the work of your hands".Highlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16532761296990891687noreply@blogger.com